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AL CHRONICLE. [C] on JUNE 15, 1858. --s oar ae SED [SEED] PLAN OF THE NEW oe UDDERSFIELD. [HUDDERSFIELD] e of the Huddersfield Chronicle we p08 [p] de ion to the defects of the plan of street spe [se] ving [vine] out of the open space behind the Foot 9 tHe [the] 29 Gevised [Revised] and published by the A et Hote [Hotel] sit J. W. Ramsden and we then ptt [pt wasting which would be inflicted ; out the Huddersfield and on the property e get of re the objectionable features of the ie Manors end the Gesigr [Resign] fer Cur new town, een [en] sod and published, carrieti [carried] out. 3 alt project also called attention to the fact agile i on for the laying out of this open GEIS [GRIS] under the auspices of the Paving , way prepa [prepay he Huddersfield Improve- [Improved] te Pas of t aoe [are] C aha a deputation from the gins appointed to confer with the Gee ba Ww. Ramsticn [Rustic] end their agents on the of SY of preventing (if possible) the re-pro- [pro] ha ation [action] of manifest sanitary evils, and to piper doption [option] ef such a mode of street de- [deep] jpe) [Joe] the Huddersfield one-ef the best' king BP esult [result] in making gar 7 PS ,j 0m sjoners [scones] 5 ae nfs [ns] i the a document which repared [prepared] by the Improvement Com- [Come] 4he [the] objections to the original plan 1 roasors [roars] Why the one prepared of the Paving and Drainage Commit- [Committee] ee the one objected to. That document er the most convenient mode of lay-4 westion [question] again before the public, and as' fer the remarks and observa- [observe- observed] t oO ste [st] and t fe . by the Improvement Plan prepared under their auspices iginal [original] plan of the Trustees, is as pil [oil] ished [shed] by the trustets,is-cbjectionable, [trustees,is-objectionable] inas- [ins- ins] 2 he pian. [pain] . , the mteni [men] and for the purpose of keep- [keep] ee aildings [buildings] of a comparatively worthless on two of the main streets of the town, - and some of the proposed new be taken in angular directions, th the rest to avoid these old uty [duty] abut Westgate; 4 consequence 00 Mot qgunection [connection] W1 a jibited. [jilted] there is no provision made for iat. [at] colnet [Colne] as a lungste [lungs] the town, nor even Tee resent siaail [shall] Trarket [Market] accommoéation. [accommodation] age out of the Ramsden property there has not the Jayme made for squares or open spaces; and if ow proposed tu be laid out, be arranged , of the trustees, all chance of ol Ue pear the centre of the town will be lost. ut af the trustees' plan would completely ous [us] fectually [actually] hide from view, the elegant rail- [Railway] won ei by the spirited directors of the Hudders- [Udders- Hudson] ON este [est] Railway; and weuld also [would also] block-up but in vic [vice] handsome new George Hotel now in course he Ramsden trustees. . oe main f the streets according to the trus- [Truss- Truss] st duecast [due cast] and west; and therefore one half of 'user enjey [energy] the direct rays of the sun upon 'al ax this is to due ventilation and conse- [cone- consent] 5. of the streets being fullowed, [followed] most of ' steep iucline, [incline] equal to the average gradient opr [our] king street. . the plots of building ground, as laid that it will be impossible to have lights into s, skops [stops] are built facing each main street, ms behind; and the same objection will apply oors, [ors] if the dwellings are built with two rooms reets, [reece] or private out-lete [out-let] for the Gwellings [Swellings] te 'be new par. of the town -but every description an, of Merchandise, and even the fikky [filly] refuse from rill have to le convened in and out of the front of vi in the main stress he plan as proposed by the Paving and Drainage ts re the objections have been had in fgavour [favour] made to steer clear of them. bas [as] been designed with the intent, that at some or other, all the eruting [writing] bu diane [dine] above the Parish Church, rhe [the] north side of Kirkgate and Westgate, shall be removed, wake way for erections more befitting the town generally, vn in particular, and far more vahaable [valuable] to their rs than the present comparative heaps of rubbish. At same Tuac, [Actual] it is not necessary that these removals take nor any considerable part of them; but the r parts of the design can be carried out, and these build- [build removed] removed in process of time, as circumstances call for. ovals will give opportunity for the making of two of treets-hirkgaty [trees-Kirkgate] and Westgate,-now contracted, 1 narrow, into fine open, broad, and well- [well] where all the peblic [public] business of the tawn [tan] may be and where a building may be erected, worthy wery [were] respat [repast] of the district for which it would be 2 space, or Iungs [Ings] for the town, is provided in front lway [way] Station and the New George Hotel one large to ailow [allow] a portion to be planted, and have in the centre aud [and] thus the greater portion of the 'the Raiiway [Railway] Station would be open to view from the nd the new George Hotel would be scen [scene] -place while to parties standing under the Railway Station, a good portion of the new ice Would be visible, including the front of the Tewn [Ten] i with the other splendid buildings, ehich [which] such a lay- [lathe] the weld be certain to cause the just impres- [impress- weathersfield] uddersfield [Huddersfield] was one of the finest built towns in the id be secured. of the main surcets [sources] in the new plan is almost aud [and] sonth; [South] and thus every welling in them tie sun's rays direct upon them. both in front and lay. The to secure healthy residences in is, therefure, [therefore] provided. the greater portion of the weld be nearly on iutcuded [educated] etreets [street] streets being on a steep level, and in connection in tke [the] present beilt [built] portions plots are of that width. as te secure back- [back] Ho suck premises for nearly every dwelling or ware- [warranted] ected acted] with ample accommodation for the tak- [take- tacked] ', aud [and] riddance of refuse, withuut [without] troubling the Suce [Sue] of ground laid out on the trustees' vlan, [van] Johu [John] William-street on the west, the brick On the north, Byram-street and other por- [or- pole] le building ground on the east, the Parish aut [at] Portion of plot No. 19 on the eouth, [South] the Pls [Ls] 4 out as available for builéing [building] purposes is cay ny Sate Deu [De] anenitice's amenities's] plan the same aggre- [agree- agree] be i ute [ate] iy the sate Enes, [ENE] gives 28,018 square building purposes showing a difference of our of the committee's plan, as faras [fares] the mere iMG [ing] Lo let is couceried. [Courier] tig [ti] out of the old-built portions of the town, one eet [et] #0 [area fur building purposes as is now nee aesirable [desirable] that it should, or the present hte [the] tae [tea] Strsets [Street] will have to remain as they are. i i ae the present con varative [curative] worthless rubbish, weak Ange [Age] surface, good buildings, with excellent 2d the gi nok; [no] ud the worth of the land, the build- [build] te uation nation] generally, be considerakiy [considerably] enhanced. ut 3 a. ' eon [on] Just given is a fiir [for] and candid statement od it then stood and we think that few who nn Ment [Men] but will say that it was time some body Sed [Se] preveat [prevent] the perpetration of engineering and Se, rors ors] which all would afterwards have reason Use of the manifuld [manifold] evils thereby occasioned. ie Publication of the abeve [above] statement of reasons y 8 fo sheared Tres [Tees] Uper [Per] the Trestees' [Trustees] original plan, which ed oie [one] the public press, that plan has heen [hen] re- [raised] ised [used] revision. A new edition of it tata [tat] tae [tea] present week, showing the . as no ced [ce] ; amendments and i Sonn [Son] bagi [bag] Lan [An] we nee nents, [rents] and deviations from the . Ow seek to direct public i ie ay pu attention. [C] new plex [plea] io be an émprove- [improve- improved] design, Theugh [The] it does not yet eribody [everybody] all the requireinents [requirements] of the case, heen [hen] the [C] Suggestions for improvement divide out, yet we are pleased to be able to jong [song] from the plan first published is a 8 t and also shews that the agents of yet, eee [see] Trusteos [Trustees] act' sae [sea] 'Ct the 128 tot been indifferent or 'eign, [in] and re Which have heen [hen] made on their of piblie [public] aa eto [to] the ing Spon [Soon] on this inn' ofthe [of the] most 2 ead, [ad] etn [ten] thats [that] Me nt ovjections [objections] to their 'Mgement. [Engagement] In this pr we re- uh a 3) the or Congratulation, It is cheeriug [cheering] to torn, far alive to the in- [Huddersfield] Huddersfield areso [arose] have its proposed increase Pronounce th ey the own ' ie origing [origin] a8 We think, to al dina din] improvement as far ds it cerned [cent] and it is no less is 5 will making Huddersfield a town of which connécted [connected] with i wat [at] has reason to be oud mat enable the public to understand how far the objecti [object] to the original plan have been removed, and the for improvement embodied, we will specify in consecutive order the deviations and alterations in the new plan of the 1.-The proposed new street, from the presént [present] Mark Place to the Brick Factory, past the edst [east] end of the New George Hotel, és to 'be increased in width, from 60 fede [fee] from building 'to building, toe 66 feet from the outside of each causeway; and this, with the three feet allowed oh each side of the street for cellar entrances, will make the width, from building to building, 72 feet, or 24 yards. This as 3 rai [ra] Eee [See is manifest improvement. , -- plot o ground in front of the New Geo Hote [Hotel] designed for buildings in the original plan, is now to sd arma [arms the public as an open space; and which will in a degree, keep open te view thelepent. [element] build- [buildings] ings [ing] of the Railway Station, and the no less elevation of the New George Hotel. This also is a tHanifest [manifest] 3.-Though the plot of ground to the south of this pro- [proposed] posed open space, and at the north end of Mr Schwann's warehouse is marked out on the new plan, it is understood not to be at present open for builders, but to be reserved by the Trustees for ulterior desi [dis] ; igns. [ings] Of course, until those designs are made public, signs al 2 we cannot pronounce whether this will be ab improvement or not. . . oe nev [ne] street, through the present Swan Would sweep away the whole of the inferi [inferior] i on the west side of the Church yard, or what are commonly known as the Swan Stables; and the strect [street] there to be formed, to be called Byrom-street, will ran continuous in a nort [not] erly [early] direction into Brook-street, in front of the Brick #actory. [factory] This every one will pronounce to be a great improvement for to leave the inferior rubbish in the Swan Yard standing, and to deviate the new street in a wrong iin [in] Sap pa Pop t plan), would have been an error, and a ess [es] in connection with this good oppertunity [opportunity] of town extension which could not have been too strongly condemned. 5.-Instead of the whole space between the Church yard and the Brick Factory being divided into as many main streets as could be crowded upon it, running in a direction due east and west, two of the proposed main streets have been given up, and back streets substituted. This fso so] is an improvement as far as it goes, though the proposed ar- [arrangement] rangement [management] is still open to objection. 6.-There are I'nes [I'ne] on the new plan showing that it is proposed to widen both Kirkgate and Westgate that is, the west end of Kirkgate, from the Church yard upwards, and the east end of Weetgate [Westgate] from the Cherry Tree Inn downwards. These improvements, when accompiished, [accomplished] will be of manifest public advantage, We have now detailed the alterations and deviations from the original design of the Ramsden Trustees and we must again say, generally speaking, that every alteration as an imprevoment [improvement] and the whele [while] are tending in the pro- [proper] per direction. At the same time the revised plan cannot 'be considered faultless, or as perfect as it might be made. It is indeed far from this it is still open to objections, a few of which we will now endeavour to state. First.-The question of increased market accommodation is left just where it was. There is no provision made for the increasing population of this very thriving district. In the laying out of the central part of a large town, ample accommodation for the marketing of vegetables and dry goods should not be lost sight of. Markets are proved 'by experience to be very ticklish matters to deal with. It has been found that a number of small markets do not answer nearly as well as one large concentrated one. It has been found also that market cannot be moved, or started, at Pleasure; that an old -ascustomed [accustomed] spot has a charm 2bort [Bart] it which not even extreme inconvenience ean [an] baoak [back] ; and that the pubic will not desert the 'old place even for superior accommodation elsewhere. Of the truth of these positions, the non-success of the South and King Charles Croft Markets in Leeds, and of the Farringdon Market in London, are signal examples; and these ex- [examples] amples [ample] could be multiplied from the experience of many large towns. We cannot therefore but look upon the ab- [absence] sence [Spence] of market-prevision in this new plan as a great defect-one which can not be remedied if the plan be car- [carried] ried [red] out as it now appears. Srconp.-The [Second.-The] direction of many of the streets is still due east and west. This, on savfitary [sanitary] and ventilating ' grounds, is highly objectionable. This defect we believe could be easily it would render the building-sites more eligtt#e [Elliott#e] even than in the revised plan; and give more unbroken frontage to the main streets. . 7 TaIRD.-The [Third.-The] greatest objection to the original plan of the Trustees was that it preserved all the existing com- [comparatively] paratively [positively] worthless erections in Westgate and Kirkgate, and that the scheme of town extension was thus necessarily contracted and bound down to the re-production and per- [perpetuation] petuation [petition] of errors which could otherwise be avoided. This objection 2z the maza [mas] still applies to the revised plan. Ail the parts of the New Town can be completed, with tae [tea] existing buildings in Westgate and Kirkgate remaining 'ks they are, with the single exception of the nieet [net] of buildings in the Swan Yard formerly described, which would have to be removed The consequence of this course is, that the laying out of the upper side of John William-street, and of the ground next to the Railway Station, is positively paltry. Ifthe [If the] design was that tke [the] ground on the north side of Westgate to the Rai'way Staten should be cleared, the arrangement for new erections could be made contingent on that event, and consequently much more comprehensive than is now the case. And this course would of itsclf [itself] erections in this part of the New Town, befitting the elegant buildings now erected,-the Station and the new George Hotel. With the plan as it is, this would be impossible; for cramped, cabinned, [Cabinet] and confined as the builders would be, and flanked as the new erections would be by worthless rubbish, who would thiak [think] of erecting buildings of good design and architectural taste Gire [Fire] space and opportunity, and this portion of the New Town will become one of the main features #f Huddersfield ; cramp it,-keep the general design as it is, and the splendid erection by the Trustees themselves for the new George Hotel will be comparatively lost. Fourts.-It [Courts.-It] is worthy of remark, also, that though Kirkgate and Westgate are marked on this revised plan to be widened, it is no part of the plan for the New Town that these manifest public improvements should be made. The New Town (subject to the great defect just pointed out) may be erected to plan, and every stick and stone in Kirkgate and Westgate (with the simple ex- [exception] ception [option] before pointed out) remain exactly as they are. We are aware that there is some leased property in these strects; [streets] but a few leases ought not to stand in the way of a great and manifest public advantage. No doubt the leaseholders wotid [wood] be prepared to treat with-the Trustees in a liberal spirit, if advances to them were made in a corresponding manner for it would manifestly be for the advantage of the leaseholders so to act. We know for certain that many of them are so disposed; and if thers [there] were any that were not, the Trustees and the Imprtove- [Improve- Improvement] ment [men] Commissioners jointly could speedily make the way clear. We trust, therefore, to see this point re-con- [considered] sidered, [resided] tind [tins] the Trustees' plan accordingly again revised. the revised plan there is no provision fof'a [of'a] Town Hall-no setting apart 4 plot in the only eligible situation, for an erection for public assemblies, and for the 45 to seek to imauner [manner] creditable to #41 con- [content] THE HUDDERSFIELD CHRONICLE, SATURDAY, JUNE 15, 1850. transaction of all public business. Hu ldersfield [Huddersfield] ewely [early] is oho 7 ett [et Blesting [Blessing] places like i the Magittrates' [Magistrates] anttPblice-officesstuck [Antilles-offices stuck] in the nem [men] 1 Subély [Surely pian [pain] out of the cen- [cent- cent] 'the 'towirchould [Houldsworth] bikve [bike] somesuit- [some suit- Somerset] of reverence and respect for the 4 only in Providing an abiddtay-ptave [ability-pave] worthy of theit [their] position. It is only fair to the agents of the Ramsden say that this revised plan of theirs has been put out before they have seen the plan of the Im. [In] mumissioncrs. [missionaries] Though a deputation of the od Was appointed to confer with the Trustecs [Trustees] Gen cir agents, that conference has not yet been had. i Loch, Esq. when apprized [approved] of their appointment, and bel [be] Hoke was sought for, stéted [stated] that he etortly [total] ier [er] an thoaght [that] 'atonferéuee [interfere] on the ground anak [ana] more satisfactory to ill 'From the con- [continued] ued [used] absence' of that gentleman'from the has not yet taken place; #nd 'consequently the suggested unprovements [improvements] of the Commhissidners [Commissioners] onthe [other] Trus- [Truss- Trustees] tees' Plan have not been examined or 'considered. By a reference to the Statement of Reasons given above it will be seen that the objections we have urged against the Trustees' revised plan are provided against in the Coni- [Con- Commissioners] missioners' plan and we cannot but think it unfortunate that the interview between the Commissioners and Mr. not taken place before the revised plan of the Trustees was published. Hewever, [However] in the absence of such conference, and in the absence of sng [ng] reasons why tho suggestions of the Improvement Cominissioners' [Commissioners] hould should] not be adopted, we cannot look upon the revised plan as the settled determination of the Ramsden, Trustees 3 forthat [forth] would be a discourtesy to the Improvement Commissioners and to the public of Huddersfield generally, which we are sure the Trustecs [Trustees] and their 'agente [agent] 'ave 'incapable of exhibiting. THE MEETING OF THE IMPROVEMENT COMMISSIONERS. In our last number we gave the proctedings [proceedings] 'at'the titét- [tibet- inviting] ing of the above board, held on Friday, the 7th inst., up to that stage of the proceedings wherein Commissioner Moore' concluded by moving the following resolution on the 'Gas QUESTION - That a special committee be inted [United] to instttete [institute] fhe [he] tiecds- [ties- Texan] aan [an] to he wer [we] -O ae Commissioners 3 as 1 pred [red] providi [provide] themselves, or of pirchasing [purchasing] th in oxen ae those alread [already] committee to report thereon to the general after a fair and full consideration and enquiry. At this staze [state] of the roceedings [proceedings] Commissioners Crosland and Eastwood moved and seconded a proposition to the effect that the memorial which had been read be received. J. enquired if Mr. Moore was aware that one party had signed that memorial twice, upon which Commissioner CROSLAND said he was perhaps better able to answer that question, inasmuch as Mr. Moore had so recently been entrusted with the memorial. He (Com- [Commissioner] missioner Crosland) could readily conceive that one firm might ap on the list two or three times,. in case it-was presented at different times to different ers, [es] but that, in his opinion, unless there was some objection of a bona jide [side] character, ought not to be assigned as a reason [ attacking] tathing [bathing] due weight to such a memorial. (Gear, hear.) . Commissioner MookE [Mike] remarked that it was stated to bim [bi] A by the parties having charge of the memorial, that some' trick had been played, but by whom they could not tell. He had, however, reason for believing that the father of the 4rick [rick] would be found out, and enquired how Mr. J. Firth happened te have become aware of it He remarked, in conclusion, that the memorialists [memorials] informed him that James Hatfield had signed twice. , 4 Aftersome [After some] altercation between Cammissioners [Commissioners] Moere [More] and Armitage, Commissioner J. FIRTH said name by Mr. Moore was not the one he had alluded to, for there were other names signed twice over. There was the name af Samuel Bradley signed twice; and then there was Thomas Cliffe and Son, New-street, and Thomas Cliffe and Co., New-street, but in answer to these technical objections the CHaIRMAN [Chairman] (J. Brook, Esq.) said that it gid [God] not appear that any deliberate fraud had been intended th the eom- [tom- commission] mission, in reference to this memorial, and therefore, in his opinion, it ought to be duly received. 3 The memorial was then received unanimously. -- Commissioner OROSLAND, [CROSLAND] in seconding the proposition made by Mr. Moore, must throw himself on the in- [indulge] dulge [Duke] of the Commissioners. Although Mr. Moore had not gone into details as to the position of the Gas Com- [Companies] panies [Panis] in this and other towns, he felt rather glad that he had net.done so, as it might have considerably lengthened their sitting to have discussed the question at greater length, and he further believed that there was sufficient evidence embodied in the memorial to cause the Commis- [Comms- Commissioners] sioners [sinners] to grant a committee of enquiry. He also thought . that a question ef such importance, backed by such a re- [respectable] spectable [respectable] memorial, could not be staved off, and that they were consequently obliged to consider the question. if they had only that document-but there were in addition many other considerations-they were, on the representa- [present- representations] tions [tins] contained in that memorial, as a representative body, ; bound to entertain the question. It was'an acknowledged fact that gas in Huddersfield, for a number of years, had been tery [try] unsatisfactory, both in price and quality, and if it was Detter [Letter] now than when that Commission came into existence, what was Kwang [Wang] to Why, he'contended, to the vigilence [violence] of the very board now sitting there. On that rinciple [principle] of to the opinions of the ratepayers which bad been laid down on a former occasion, in virtue of which Mr. Swallow was there that night, that aman [man] who had been rejected by the ratepayers ought not to be elected by the Commissioners, although Mr. Routledge, the other gentleman named, was only defeated by ten votes 5 ex that principle, he contended, the prayer of the memerialists [Imperialist] must be granted, for it contained a greater number Of rate- [ratepayers] ayers' [Ayres] names than the whole number by which Mr. John Firth was returned. It was their duty to those memorial- [memorials] ists, [its] to the gas works, and to themselves as Commissioners, to entertain this question, and he would tell them plainly that they were in duty bound to support and carry the reso- [rose- resolution] lution [Lotion] which had been moved by Commissioner Moore. He was glad to have to omgratulate congratulate] s Beard on their financial condition, inasmuch as some of the Commissioners had hitherto said, in reference to this question, wait a bit-bide your time-wait till you are in a condition to attend. to these things. Now, he maintained that they were already in that position, for, according to the year's accounts which had been presented, the current expendi- [expend- expenditure] ture [true] of the commission would not exceed the amount paid under the old bodies ofauthority, [of authority] (Hear, hear.) The pre- [per- present] sent time, therefore, was a favourable one for the consider- [consideration] ation [action] of the question, inasmuch as the public were anxious that this matter should be enquired into by a committee such as Mr. Moore had asked for. Muth [Mouth] had been said about confiscation and révbery [robbery] in with this movement, but he (the speaker) would te the last man to advocate a measure the tendency of which was to rob any man of that whieh [which] rightfully belonged to him. (Hear, hear.) Did the right of supplying gas belong e present Gas Coinpany [Company] 2 (Hear, hear.) He (the speaker) said em- [emphatically] hatically [emphatically] no. Because the Gas Company had monopo- [Mono- monopolised] the supply of gas the past thirty years, was that any reason why they should nionopolise [monopolise] a prospective right to supply gas for thirty years to come (Hear, hear.) Was it for the advantage of the town that they should do so He (the speaker) again answered no. Those parties who had the management of the town's affairs were the men to whom the management of the gas ought also to be intrusted, [instructed] and then, if such were the case, apy [pay] alterations in the arrangements could be made at the same time that the drains and sewers were made or constructed in our streets. But there was another strong reason why ther [the] should entertain this gas question. The ple [le] of Hud- [HUD- Huddersfield] dersfield [Huddersfield] had long been jealous of the Gas Company; they considered that the company had already too long pos- [post- possessed] sessed [ceased] the monopoly of supplying the town with gas. hear.) If it could be proved that the Gas Com emy [Com my] fad en the benefactors they professed to be, then he had no wbt [wet] the inhabitants weudd [Wed] 'readily acknowledge it but, if on the contrary, it was -fomd [food] that the Ges [Ge] Company had not strove to supply either the best or the chen [che] gas-if it was found that they had been lining their own pockets at the expense of the public, then the public, instead of being grateful, would feel no difficulty in doing their duty. (Hear, hear.) With these tions, [tins] and believing as he did, that the enquiry now asked would benefit all concerned, and the ratepayers in parti [part] cular, [circular] he called on the Comim#sioners, [Coming#sinners] who had a public duty to 6 at once grant this enquiry, and eppoint [point] the committee which had been requested in the memorial of ratepayers that evening submitted to thom, [tho] .. Céramissioner [Commissioner] T. FirrH [Fire] remarked that the mover of the resolution had said a great deal about the memorial and its respectability, andin-that [Indian-that] respect he agreed with him. It been said that there was some 30,000 a year saved 'from the profits of gas in Manchester which went towards public improvements. had als [as beeistated [stated] that sentiments to 'be made known, so that the ra ' speaker) had no idea of same purpose from the above soutze. [source] Alfision [Allusion] had also been mdde [made] by Mr. Moore to the satisfactory powers of the Huddersfield Water Works Comparty, [Company] bat the latter, ac- [according] cording to their Act of Parliament, esald sales] not spend one my in improvements, and he for joy if the Gas Company was ing. He doubted yoy [you] much, howeve', [however] the course adopted in Manchester, of the profite [profit] of gas to public improvements, ted to this that the gas consumers paid the rates which ought to be borne in common by those who did and those who did not consume gas. But he also found on looking over this me- [memorial] morial [moral] that there were 16 manufacturers, 52 merchants, 10 solicitors, and 10 woolstaplers, [wool staplers] in all 89 persons, who did not, he believed, consume 1,000 feet of gas amongst them. in the year. Then he found, on looking further, some 1904 shopkeepers who'kad [who'ad] signed the memorial, and he should know what proportion of rates they paid compared 'with their gas consumiption. [consumption] He (the speaker) fancied that they paid a much greater proportion for rates than they paid for the consumption of gas. His own opinion was that ticy'must [city'must] be looked upon more in the light of rate- [ratepayers] 'payers than as gas consumers, Then again, there 'several innkeepers, who it was well known were great rate- [ratepayers] payers Commissioner CrosLanD [Crosland] And are they not also' great gas consumers and who, no doubt,'as had been remarked, were also great gas consumers. All these things consiif red, [cons red] he did not consider the memorial made oat quit case as Mr. Moore would have them to believe. iere [ere] had been a great deal also said about the riee and [rise and] profit of gas, and no doubt the Gas Company 'had 'obtained as good dividends as they coultl [colt] (hear, hear) 3f'the ublic [public] were such fools as to let thin do so. (Hear, hear 'hey had an exaniplo [example] of this in what was formerly done in connexion with the railways even in this district. Formerly the poor stand-up passengers were ill provided for, but as soon a8 new railway was mooted the accommodation to this class of passengers was increased, and that illustrated pretty clearly the position in which the Huddersfield Gas Company stood. They had already the town's gas con- [considerably] siderably [considerably] lower than formerly, but-what was the consequence ef that vas as] this-that the poor shopkeépes, [shopkeepers] seh [she] .as the propriety of himself, ad to pay in reality so much more for his gas 'm order to accommodate the town and these very large raté- [rate- ratepayers] payers. A Comuissiextr [Musketry Is not your gas lower The speaker remarked that it was, but thet [the] it would be lower still if the compaay [company] did not lose money by the price at 'which they now supplied gas to the street lamps. A Com- [Commissioners] MISSIONER You aré [are] quite right He was not, however, prepared to oppose the motion, as he thought that it had been brought forward in a very proper way, and he rose more particularly to refer to the nature of the memorial which had been presented. Commissioner SwaLLow [Swallow] said that as allusion had been 'thade [that] te his name in connection with this discussion, it. behoved him to briefly refer to the question before thom. [tho] He had no inclinations nor yet any objects to serve save those identified avith [faith] the interests of the town, but when he looked at the small hill of the-Gas Company for sunplying [supplying] the Commissioners the past year, viz., e731 [e] 73. a. he considered it was not desirable to convert the inhabitants of Huddersfield into a company, for he was afraid if they did so, they would have to pay as much in the shape of salaries as they now paid for lighting. He considered that the present sum was so small, and the necessary outlay to supply gas would be so great, that he thought they would not be doing their duty-although the memorial had hesn [hen] signed by some very réspértabit [respectable] 'namies--to [names--to] thake [take] the ratepayers into a gas company. Mr. Moore (the speaker observed) had said something about his term of office expiring soon. His (the speaker's) term of office expired also in September next, and he wished these his yers, [years] af the proper time, might know how to'deal with each of them. . Commissioner ARMITAGE said he stood in-quite an inde- [ind- independent] pendent being in nowise interested in the matter, ut hé 'presumed that the present motion merely went to supply gas to the public streets, and not to private indi- [India- individual] vidual, [individual] but he had not heard any arguments used which strengthed [strength] that course, or which would induce him to 'support the motion. He was sorry to differ in opinion with the memerialists, [Imperialist] but they were only as a body tio [to] years im [in] office, and he thought they did not as yet know 'enough of their duties or the exact expense of tite [title] Com- [Commission] mission year by year, to warrant them in pursuing such a course, and for these reasons he should vote against the appointment of a committee. . Commissioner RILEy [Riley] said that they had twice before been called together on the question, and the motion took now a very different course to that in whith [with] it was 'originally directed. Speaking in the presente [present] of their chairman, and with all ible [able] respect towards. that gentleman, he (the putting the question off from time to time because of the chairman's absence. He (the speaker) maintained in the first place that the Commissioners possessed #0 [power to purchase the works, and he should like to fnow [now] from their law clerk whether the Com- [Commissioners] missioners did or did not possess a power so to purchase. He contended at the last meeting, and would still contend, that the Gas Company had done great service to the town, and that we were now paying less than any other town for our gas, while many other towns in this neighbourhood were paying as much as from 12 to 20 per cent. above us. This being the case he could net usderstand [understand] why there sho#ld [so#ld] be a doad-set [road-set] made against the Gas Company. The in- [inconvenience] convenience of the Gas Company ekg [keg] up the public streets had been remarked upon, but he (the speaker) understood iat [at] tkecustom [custom] was for the Gas Company to apply to the Commissioners when the company wanted any terations [alterations] making, when the latter body sent their own men to do it, and charged the Gas Company for making such alterations, and the charge was so fixed that the Com- [Commissioners] missioners made a profit on these alterations. Believing pat was not inet [net] or to take the powers 5 of ous [us] m ly he,should oppose such a motiert, [Mortimer] even 4 zh it evere [every] ie of half the ton, and he therefore concluded by moving that in the opinion of the Board the time had sot arrived for the Commissioners to take the powers of the present Gas Company or erect works of their own, and that therefore the discussion of the question be adjourned until that day six months. The CHAIRMAN explained that his absence on the two former occasions arose from causes which he felt certain every Commissioner would respect, but whenever he could attend he had always done so. (Hear, hear.) Commnicgiener [Communication] ARMITAGE seconded the amendment. Commissioner SUTCLIFFE said that he kad [ad] no interest in the question, for he neither held gas shares or tock [rock] gas. The price of gas, the speaker remarked, in Huddersfietd [Huddersfield] was 4s. per 1,000 cubic feet and if there was any truth in a statement which had been put into his hand he thought the price charged for gas in Huddersfield, compared with other towns, was extremely low. In this town the public lamps were supplied at 2s. 6d. per 1,000 cubic feet, and if they could afford gas at that sum, he was not surprised at the large profit derived from the gas in Manchester, where the charge was 5s per 1,000 aubic [cubic] feet; for considering the immezise [immense] population of Manchester, and the difference be- [between] tween 2s. 6d. and 5s. per 1,000 cubic feet the 'Manchester le must be making a profit of a many 3 vear. [year] In Rochdale the price of gas was 6s. up to April, 1850, while in Hwddersfield [Huddersfield] it was supplied at 2s. 6d. per 1,000 exbie [exile] ftet. [feet] In Stockport it was to be reduced to 5s. in 1851; Leeds, 5s.; Hull, 5s.; Macclesfield, 53. 6d.; Sheffield,- [Sheffield] which was literally embedded in coal-it was 4s. 3d.; and in Burnley it was 6s. per 1,000 cubic 'and in tke [the] latter place they had coal in the district all round them. He was a stranger to all these things when he came into that room, but when he heard that they could be supplied with s cheapér [cheap] than almost any other town, he very much doubted the wisdom of the motion, and also questioned whether they had power to take the gas--works under their present Act of they had not already had enough of new Acts of Parliament then per- [perhaps] haps [has] they would go to parliament for the necessary powers. Commissioner EasTwooD, [Eastwood] as on a former occasion, con- [conceived] ceived [received] that the time had ot,yet arrived for the considera- [consider- consideration] tion [ion] of so an undertaking.- [undertaking] He did not know that an enquiry was objectionable, but he felt satisfied that the Board had already sufficient engagements on hand to employ them if those duties were thoroughly and efficiently performed. As certain parties had assumed that he was a gas proprietor, he took that oceasion [occasion] to repudiate the statement, and then went on that the alterations of the Gas Company were at prescat [Prescot all under the order of the Commissicners [Commissioners] and hé believed that no eollision [collision] of importarice [importance] bad resulted from such an arrangemént.- [arrangement.- arrangement] It had been said by Mr. Moore that the company had this advantage without paying any equi- [equip- equivalent] valent; [talent] but he (the speaker) conceived that the small price which the Commissioners paid for their gas was the equi- [equip- equivalent] valent; [talent] but ifa [if] greater privilege could be obtained for the ratepapers, [ratepayers] it was very right that at the proper time they should endcavour [endeavour] to obtainit. [obtained] .. ... bolas GomMtistioner [Commissioner] CROSLAND remarked that when the Im- [In- Improvement] proyement [present] Act was first applied jor [or] the price of gas 'Wa3 [Was] 7a. BootH [Booth No; 63. 8d. but how many years was it since the company charged them 10s, for their gas ., 20 6 4 2 Commissionér [Commissioners] -KaYE [Kaye] thought that the last speaker was arguing against himself, upon which ; os ay ote [ot] Fe. y.Commissioner CROsLAND [Crosland] said he didnot [didn't] ask for any opinion upon the merits of the question, at its present stage, one Way or another; but he did ask for a committee' in Rochdale some 2,000 a year had been realized [realised] for the of enquiry, so that they might see whether the ratepayers the er) should gran' slaved upon a atailar [tailor] fect [fact] would -be benefitted [benefit] by -sueh [such] ah arratigement [arrangement] or not. (Hear, hear.) . Commissionet [Commissioner] Mook, reply, could hot conceive what objections could exist in the minds of that Board againss [against] ting him a committee of-enguiry [of-enquiry] to collect informatiog [information] and atatistica. [artistic] That poimt [point] -eonceded, [ended] the general Board would still main uncommitted to any line of procagure [procure] arising out of that committee's preceedings. [proceedings] He charae- [charge- characterised] terised [tried] the course pursued by the Gas Company as of a parsimonious and ing character, ivhich [overmuch] ought to be at once checked by those rties [ties] who professed to represent the interests of the whole town. He reminded the meeting that it was not long since the price of gas was 10s. per 1,000 feet-then it was 7s. 6d.; and it was only reduced to 5s. on notice being 5 given for an application for an Improve- [Improvement] teent [Trent] Bill. But 'what had these highly benevolent men done'since that last reduction Why, in reality they 'had. robbed the town 'of the quality of gas by their professed. liberality, and had given them a gas which was not fit for. any human beings to inhale. THe [The] cohsequence [consequence] was that a. public moeting [meeting] was called, which resulted in the gas being still further 'to 4s. per 1,000 cubic feet. This being the-etate [the-estate] ef things'which had recently. obtained, he could' 'hot see how the Commissioners, as a represéntative [representative] body, could shirk this question, or support the proposition mada [made] by Mr. Riley. He repudiated any intention to rob- [rob the] 'the Gas Company of anything which rightfully helongea. [longer] to them; but happily, inthis [in this] matter, the town of Hud. [HUD] dersfiéhi [Huddersfield] 'had ho vested fights to deal with-the Gas. Company were, in reality, entirely at the mercy of that- [that board] Board,-and [and] although they could stap [stamp] the general system on which the Gas acted by general order of that Board, he 'would ene [one] of the dast [east] men te do x0, and, 'én the tvould [told] say, if his opinion were asked, give them the value of their works to the last farthing. He would not reb [Rev] them even of those.powers given them by the former lazy inhabitants of the town, whe [the] had allowed them the use of their streets for the last thirty years. He did not hesitate to say that inasmuch as 'they. had enjoyed this permissive power for so longa [long] period they' might perhaps be considered to have some claim upon the town, and in virtue of that circumstance he would give them a higher.price than otherwise he might be disposed to accede, th he dénied [denied] they'had 'any legal 'Claim whatever. Hear, hear and cries of question What was the feeling of the ratepayers on this question It was this -that the Gas Company had, by asystem [system] which he had characterised cock-a-lorum-jig [cock-a-rum-jig made their 'noininal [national] profits much less than what they really were with the view te mislead thepublic. [the public] There were many geritlethen [gentlemen] at that Board who knew that those complaints were very among the ratepayers. By the amendment which had been made it was Pro) to stifle discussion for six months, but that was absolute folly, inasmuch as they had no power to bind the Board which cante [cant] into office in September tiext [text] to tourse. [course] The speaker then proceeded to com- [comment] ment [men] on the memorial, which could have been increased but for the want of the necessary funds, and then asked if there was one gentleman 'Who could dény [deny] 'the 'reasduebleneés [reasonableness] or'the fairness of the request made in that memorial. If a proposition so reasonable, and couched in terms so legitimate, was resisted by that Board, 'it would be necessary, in order that the ratepayers should 'have their interests properly protected to infass [assassin] some new blood. into that chamber at the next election. Now, allusion had been made by Mr. Swallow to his presence at that Board, but he would tell that an that 'tnuch [touch] as he'(the apealer) appeal] personally respected him he did not, on public grounds like to see Mr. Swallow occupying a seat. at that board (cries of order, nowing, [owing] as he did, that Mr.. Swallow was there as the nominee of the Gas Company. (Cries of order, and great excitement, several members addressing the chairman at one and the same time The that he must request Mr. Moore to withdraw the remark which had just'been made, which he (the Chairman) thought ought not to be made by one member of that board to another. Commissioner MooRE [Moore] said that in obedienee [obedience] to the re- [request] quest of the Chairman he would withdraw the assertion im [in] his official capacity, though he was still of opinion that Mr. Swallow was the nominee of the Gas Company, and as such ke could not'say that he was-glafl [was-gladly] te'see-him at that 'board. (Cries of order, and great confusion.) After some mal [al] altercation between Commissioners Swallow and Meore [More] the amendment for adjourning the consideration for six months'was put to the meeting, whem [when] the following Commissioners voted for it - T. Hayley, J. Riley, . J. Firth, J. Sutcliffe, . . Firth, 'BE. Eastwood, Kaye, Luke Swallow. Against the imendmetit, [amendment] and in favour of a committes [committed] of enquiry, 4, viz [viz] W. Moore, John Brook, T. P. Crosland, Hf. Charlesworth. - The motion for inting [uniting] a committee of enquizy [enquiry] was consequently de to be iost. [inst] APPOINTMENT GF AN ADDITIONAL OFFICE CLERK. . Commissioner ARMITAGE said that the had given'some consideration te this matter stuce [Sauce] the annual accounts had come before them, and he felt satisfied that the appoint- [appointment] ment [men] of an additional clerk, to keep up the system of book- [bookkeeping] keeping which had been introduced by Mr. Bolton, ((the- [Leeds] Leeds borough accountant,) was most 'désirable, [desirable] and 'would. result in a much greater saving to the town than the amount of additional expenditure thereby incurred. He then went through the duties and salaries 'paid to the present officers, . and argued that under present ements [events] the Books could not be kept up, inasmuch as Mr. Hobson was engaged out of doors in a more desirable manzer [manner] than in doing office duty, and as the other officers had also sufficient on their hands, and asthe [asthma] additional cost would not'be tore than. 80 a-year, he moved a resalutidn [resolution] to the effect that an- [an additional] 'additional clerk be appointed to keep the books of the Commissioners, and that the amount of salary be left to the . Finance Committee to détermivte, [determined] 2 Commissioner MoorE [Moor] had great plésaure [pleasure] in seconding ' the motion, which, in his opinion, was a movement in' favour of true economy. oe, Commissioner J. FintH [Firth] said that he believed they were badly off, but he should vote against an extra number of clerks. In all new establishments, when men were strange to their duties, they could not get on so well, and hitherto the duties of the various officers had never been properly defined. Instead of appointing an, additional Steck Stock] 'he begged to move that it is desirable that a committee. shall be appointéd [appointed] Yor [Or] enquiring into the duties of the various efficers [officers] employed by the Commissioners, with the 'ew, Jf deemed advisable, to 'more stzictly. [strictly] define the duties of such several officers, and to alter or apportion the amotins [motions] of salary to be paid to each, according to their respective services; and to report, as soon 'as possible, to a future meeting of Commissioners any alteration in the managément [management] of the affairs of the Commissioners as the Committee might deem necessary should be adopted. Commissioner T. FirTH [Firth] seconded the motion, and gave it as his opinion that it was desirable that the duties 'of the several officers should be defined. Commissioner, CROSLAND, as one of. the.members of the Rates and Finance committee from the commencement, said it had been painful to his feelings ta,kmow [ta,know] that there was not a sufficient class of officers to keep the books in that state which. ares most desirable. view Wx been goypoborated [corroborated] by the invéstigation [investigation] 'of Mr. Bolton, whe [the] had'shéwn [had'shown] that they had not at present sufficient to keep the acosttats [accost] in a satisfactory state. They might talk of defining the duties; they had béen [been] 'already defined; but define them as they would that definition could never be adhered to unless they had more assistance than at present. (Hear. hear.) It was orignally [original] Mr. Hobson's duty to look after certain things, but he had been taken out of the office sonsiderably, [considerable] as his services had been found of- auch [of- such] more value in the street, and considering the - service he was rendering the in other ways, he (the speaker) did not 'conceive that Mr. Hobson's time was profitably employed in keeping the books. Conceiving ' that they required an extra clerk, he shoud [should] support the motion made by Mr. Armitage. . Commissioner SWALLOW said it appeared to him very strange that they should require so many servants, who , cost them at the raté [rate] of 500.e-year. W.e-year] When he (the speaker) was one of the old commitsioners [Commissioners] he had the - whole of the book-keeping to do himself and the general direction Of affairs. He could not, therefore, for the life of him see what they wanted with all these servants, and he ' further felt convinced that if this state of things' went. on, - the salaries and interést [interest] Money would an ener- [enter- enormous] mous [moss] sum. He did not see the necessity for any engineer ae . clerk of works; and ender all the circumstances he thought thé [the] Commissioners too extravagant, and. that they did not require all theée [there] salaries, and in Uzat [At] belief he should oppose the motion. - Commissioner CROSLAND said he could not but regret that the ratepayers had lost the services of Mr. Swallow the - Jast [East] three years, if he had really done all he said for the - spublic [public] on 1 r. occasions; but he must #ey that it did seem to him the height of presumption for-a gentlemen - who-had that a not Dares hour, who must of necessity be ignorant of the working of eve i to take the Camminsianers [Commissioners] to task 'on tantiors [tenors] conn [con] with which that gentleman must be as yet entirely igno- [ing- ignorant] rant. (Hear, hear.) -; a The CHAIRMAN said theit-thia [their-this] wos [wis] a question on whieh [which] they all felt a great deal of interest, and with respect (Continted [Continued] on the 8th page, )